Legislature(1999 - 2000)

01/12/2000 01:40 PM House FIN

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GENERAL SUBJECT(S):  MISSIONS & MEASURES                                                                                        
REVIEW OF DEPARTMENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS                                                                                            
    Department of Labor & Workforce Development                                                                                 
    Department of Public Safety                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes and                                                                 
handouts will be on file with the House Finance Committee through the                                                           
21st Legislative Session, contact 465-2156. After the 21st Legislative                                                          
Session they will be available through the Legislative Library at 465-                                                          
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Time Meeting Convened: 1:40 P.M.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Tape(s):   HFC 00 - 3, Side 1                                                                                                   
  HFC 00 - 3, Side 2                                                                                                            
  HFC 00 - 4, Side 1                                                                                                            
  HFC 00 - 4, Side 2                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT:                                                                                                                        
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Representative G. Davis                                                                                                         
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
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Representative Foster                                                                                                           
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Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
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Representative Grussendorf                                                                                                      
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Representative Austerman                                                                                                        
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Representative Moses                                                                                                            
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Representative Bunde                                                                                                            
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Representative Phillips                                                                                                         
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Representative J. Davies                                                                                                        
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Representative Williams                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT: RONALD L. OTTE, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC                                                                
SAFETY; DEL SMITH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY;                                                            
KENNETH BISCHOFF, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY; GLENN GODFREY, COL., DIRECTOR, DIVISION                                                            
OF ALASKA STATE TROOPERS, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY; TRISHA                                                                   
GENTLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  COUNCIL ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL                                                            
ASSAULT, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY; ED FLANAGAN, COMMISSIONER,                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT; DWIGHT PERKINS,                                                                  
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT;                                                             
REMOND HENDERSON, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SPEAKER                                                                                                                         
DISCUSSION                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 00 - 3,                                                                                                                
SIDE 1                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Co-Chair Mulder convened the House                                                                                              
Finance Committee meeting at 1:40 P.M.                                                                                          
Co-Chair Mulder explained his intent for                                                                                        
the departments to outline their methods                                                                                        
and measure accomplishments.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                     
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RONALD L. OTTE,                                                                                                                 
COMMISSIONER,                                                                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC                                                                                                            
SAFETY                                                                                                                          
Commissioner Otte provided Committee                                                                                            
members with a handout which recapped the                                                                                       
Department's mission statement.                                                                                                 
[handout].  The Commissioner focused on                                                                                         
the results and purpose of the                                                                                                  
Department.  He supported the intent to                                                                                         
address the problems of the Department                                                                                          
and addressed their successes.  He stated                                                                                       
that the Department worked hard to                                                                                              
determine measurements for the State                                                                                            
Troopers and the State Council for                                                                                              
Domestic Violence.  The intent is that                                                                                          
the Department will develop measurements                                                                                        
for the other programs.  Commissioner                                                                                           
Otte added that the Department will                                                                                             
provide the Committee with all pertinent                                                                                        
information to accomplishing the intent.                                                                                        
He stated that he would address the                                                                                             
Department's contributions and the key                                                                                          
short-term issues.                                                                                                              
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte commented on the                                                                                              
resources provided to the Department.  He                                                                                       
spoke to the benefits of public safety to                                                                                       
the citizens of Alaska.  The point is                                                                                           
that the State Troopers and the                                                                                                 
Department have made the State of Alaska                                                                                        
more safe.  He re-emphasized that the                                                                                           
Department has made a difference.  There                                                                                        
has been a staff reduction over the last                                                                                        
few years, however, there have been many                                                                                        
accomplishments.  He offered to answer                                                                                          
questions of the members.                                                                                                       
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte advised that last year                                                                                        
there was sex offender legislation passed                                                                                       
without much of a fiscal note.  That                                                                                            
action has resulted in the staff placing                                                                                        
some of those responsibilities over the                                                                                         
internet.  The sex offender requirements                                                                                        
have been expanded.  The Department                                                                                             
currently takes a certain percentage to                                                                                         
fill a questionnaire to guarantee that                                                                                          
the client is in compliance.  He warned                                                                                         
that over 620 persons have failed to                                                                                            
comply with the recommendations of the                                                                                          
Legislature.                                                                                                                    
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Co-Chair Mulder questioned how effective                                                                                        
would it be to get 100% compliance with                                                                                         
the law.                                                                                                                        
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte replied that the                                                                                              
Department is close to compliance.                                                                                              
However, at this time, there are 299                                                                                            
names that have not been located.  He                                                                                           
added, that is the total amount not                                                                                             
registered out of 4000.  He pointed out                                                                                         
the remarkable compliance.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde asked if there was a way                                                                                       
to reduce the effort of the Department by                                                                                       
obtaining the required information before                                                                                       
release from custody.                                                                                                           
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte indicated that was                                                                                            
currently occurring.  Often, the convict                                                                                        
registers but then quickly moves from                                                                                           
that address as originally provided.  The                                                                                       
intent of the legislation was to check-up                                                                                       
all those persons every 90 days.  He                                                                                            
emphasized that would be an unrealistic                                                                                         
charge however, reiterated that the                                                                                             
Department is serious with the task.                                                                                            
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
PHILLIPS                                                                                                                        
Representative Phillips asked if the                                                                                            
Alaskan registry was tied to that of                                                                                            
other states.                                                                                                                   
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte replied that Alaska is.                                                                                       
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DEL SMITH, DEPUTY                                                                                                               
COMMISSIONER,                                                                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC                                                                                                            
SAFETY                                                                                                                          
Mr. Smith explained the manner in which                                                                                         
the system is tied into the national                                                                                            
system.                                                                                                                         
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte continued testimony                                                                                           
addressing the current database and the                                                                                         
manner in which the investigation                                                                                               
information is flagged. He added that the                                                                                       
Legislature approved funding to upgrade                                                                                         
the fingerprint system.  The Department                                                                                         
decided to join the other automated                                                                                             
states to upgrade that system.  That work                                                                                       
has been completed and that system has                                                                                          
checked 4 million prints through the                                                                                            
Western states.  He added that this is an                                                                                       
effective tool for the State of Alaska.                                                                                         
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte addressed the interface                                                                                       
system and that the bridge is nearly                                                                                            
completed.  It will provide real data to                                                                                        
the powers that be.  The interface has                                                                                          
just been completed with the Anchorage                                                                                          
system which will eliminate the workload                                                                                        
of about 12 employees that currently do                                                                                         
data entry.  He advised that the                                                                                                
financial benefits are great.                                                                                                   
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte addressed the State                                                                                           
Crime lab.  He pointed out that lab has                                                                                         
become accredited and has set a high                                                                                            
standard throughout the country.  It is                                                                                         
one of the high quality crime labs in the                                                                                       
states.                                                                                                                         
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte pointed out that the                                                                                          
Alaska State Troopers has kept the crime                                                                                        
rates down, however, the calls for                                                                                              
services are not down.  He addressed the                                                                                        
search and rescue operations of the State                                                                                       
Troopers.                                                                                                                       
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte spoke to the                                                                                                  
bootlegging enterprises throughout the                                                                                          
State of Alaska.  He emphasized that the                                                                                        
State Troopers have a commitment to                                                                                             
address that concern.  He pointed out                                                                                           
that the volume of responsibility                                                                                               
increase each year for the State                                                                                                
Troopers.                                                                                                                       
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VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde referenced the chart in                                                                                        
the handout regarding bootlegging.  He                                                                                          
asked about the numbers associated with                                                                                         
the chart.                                                                                                                      
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte explained that the lst                                                                                        
number represents the benchmark number;                                                                                         
the second number represents the first                                                                                          
six months in the second year budget.  He                                                                                       
spoke to the increase in the percentage                                                                                         
of VPSO-investigated alcohol bootlegging                                                                                        
and importation offenses that are closed                                                                                        
by arrest.                                                                                                                      
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VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde questioned what the                                                                                            
increased number of charges resulted                                                                                            
from.                                                                                                                           
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte explained that profits                                                                                        
from bootlegging are high especially in                                                                                         
the rural areas.                                                                                                                
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VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde inquired if one of the                                                                                         
goals was a common sense goal.  He                                                                                              
pointed out that he had not seen a                                                                                              
change.                                                                                                                         
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GLENN GODFREY, COL.,                                                                                                            
DIRECTOR, DIVISION                                                                                                              
OF ALASKA STATE                                                                                                                 
TROOPERS, DEPARTMENT                                                                                                            
OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                                
Explained that the measure was approached                                                                                       
through attrition vacating in the                                                                                               
communities of Togiak, Yakutat and Sand                                                                                         
Point.  He reiterated that those VPSO's                                                                                         
will attitrition out.                                                                                                           
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VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde asked the VPSO's mission                                                                                       
is it to have or not have sworn police                                                                                          
officers.                                                                                                                       
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COL. GODFREY                                                                                                                    
Explained the goals.                                                                                                            
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REPRESENTATIVE G.                                                                                                               
DAVIS                                                                                                                           
Representative G. Davis, Subcommittee                                                                                           
Chair, spoke to the goals of the sex                                                                                            
offender's compliance action.  He                                                                                               
questioned the action.  He requested that                                                                                       
each department target that report.  He                                                                                         
noted that increase in the number of sex                                                                                        
offender compliance actions.                                                                                                    
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Pointed out that the increase between the                                                                                       
target and the priority point.                                                                                                  
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COL. GODFREY                                                                                                                    
Noted that the State Troopers are getting                                                                                       
more aggressive about enforcing seat belt                                                                                       
usage.  He pointed out that there must be                                                                                       
another cause in order that the Troopers                                                                                        
can stop a vehicle.  He pointed out the                                                                                         
increase in the percentage of seat belt                                                                                         
use in Alaska State trooper jurisdiction.                                                                                       
There has been a decrease in the total                                                                                          
number of traffic accidents that occur in                                                                                       
the State Trooper jurisdiction.                                                                                                 
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
AUSTERMAN                                                                                                                       
Asked if the number of VPSO's outlined                                                                                          
were "blue shirts".  He inquired if there                                                                                       
were more than 1300.                                                                                                            
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte explained the types of                                                                                        
responsibilities provided by public                                                                                             
officers.  There are many associated                                                                                            
activities.  He noted that when                                                                                                 
addressing some measurements, it was                                                                                            
difficult because of the many tasks                                                                                             
involved.  There has been a reduction in                                                                                        
the number of VPSO positions communities                                                                                        
with a local police department.  The                                                                                            
increased 1300 visits resulted in rural                                                                                         
Alaska.  He emphasized that there are                                                                                           
legitimate issues that must be addressed                                                                                        
often in that area.                                                                                                             
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Questioned if that number had been                                                                                              
increased.                                                                                                                      
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COL. GODFREY                                                                                                                    
Responded that the amount was up about                                                                                          
300-400 over the past year.  The number                                                                                         
of murders in the past year was 26.  The                                                                                        
average over the past few years was 18.                                                                                         
The increased travel to the villages                                                                                            
requires more travel funding for that                                                                                           
component.                                                                                                                      
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Asked if the 8500 was an increased over                                                                                         
the past year.                                                                                                                  
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Questioned the fish and wildlife                                                                                                
protection mission statement.  He                                                                                               
requested similar statistics for that                                                                                           
Division.                                                                                                                       
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commissioner Otte replied that this year                                                                                        
the Department will develop measurements                                                                                        
for that component.  It has been a                                                                                              
difficult process "turning the ship".  He                                                                                       
stated that the Department is attempting                                                                                        
these changes.  It will change as will                                                                                          
how the enforcement is being implemented.                                                                                       
Commissioner Otte offered to provide                                                                                            
statistics regarding that concern.                                                                                              
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Noted that the marine fleet has not been                                                                                        
operational.  Most of the old vessels                                                                                           
have been sold and replaced with small,                                                                                         
faster and more efficient boats.  That                                                                                          
decision was program based and is                                                                                               
currently doing a better job of                                                                                                 
protecting the State's resource.                                                                                                
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Commented that many items have not yet                                                                                          
had measurements developed.  He spoke to                                                                                        
the crime lab and DNA component.  The                                                                                           
Department was required a few years ago                                                                                         
to take samples from prisoners resulting                                                                                        
from certain crimes.  Now the Department                                                                                        
is able to test those samples and enter                                                                                         
that info into the database.  That will                                                                                         
provide an opportunity to obtain DNA just                                                                                       
like crime prints.  That information will                                                                                       
be loaded into the national system.  It                                                                                         
will be critical in situations regarding                                                                                        
murders and the DNA testing.                                                                                                    
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VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Spoke to the DNA Data bank.  He asked if                                                                                        
that could be tested locally.                                                                                                   
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MR. SMITH                                                                                                                       
Responded that it was possible.  There is                                                                                       
a small discrimination of about one in                                                                                          
one billion.  The purpose of the combined                                                                                       
DNA use is to be able to compare that                                                                                           
data.                                                                                                                           
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Pointed out that there are a couple of                                                                                          
cases currently open.                                                                                                           
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Asked if all individuals in the care of                                                                                         
the Department of Corrections were                                                                                              
available for this testing.                                                                                                     
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MR. SMITH                                                                                                                       
Explained that testing is done mostly on                                                                                        
those persons who have committed violent                                                                                        
crimes.                                                                                                                         
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Added that this testing is an exciting                                                                                          
tool for law enforcement and,                                                                                                   
additionally, benefits the State.  He                                                                                           
spoke about the death investigation cases                                                                                       
occurring during the past few years.  He                                                                                        
noted that this past year, there were 531                                                                                       
death cases investigated.  Commissioner                                                                                         
Otto spoke to the extensiveness of                                                                                              
dealing with these cases.  It involves                                                                                          
dealing with the families and their                                                                                             
bereavement, going beyond the simple                                                                                            
police report.  He emphasized that there                                                                                        
must be closure in those types of cases                                                                                         
and that it is a morbid situation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 00- 3,                                                                                                                 
SIDE 2                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
PHILLIPS                                                                                                                        
Inquired the number of murders occurring                                                                                        
in the State and asked how that number                                                                                          
compared with other states.                                                                                                     
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Replied that the number of homicides per                                                                                        
thousand has been decreasing over the                                                                                           
last few years.  He added that the cases                                                                                        
in the State of Alaska have decreased.                                                                                          
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Addressed the sport fisheries enforcement                                                                                       
component.  He advised that the                                                                                                 
Department spends a lot of time                                                                                                 
protecting this resource.  The Division                                                                                         
has developed an aggressive policy to the                                                                                       
meet that responsibility.                                                                                                       
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
FOSTER                                                                                                                          
Voiced appreciation for the hard work                                                                                           
done in the Bush by the Department.  He                                                                                         
commented on the professionalism of the                                                                                         
Department when dealing with concerns in                                                                                        
that area.  He voiced concern on the                                                                                            
retirement rate on the "peak" of troopers                                                                                       
from the past 15-20 years.                                                                                                      
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Replied that Troopers peaked in about                                                                                           
1983.  At present time, there are 237 on                                                                                        
the books.                                                                                                                      
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
WILLIAMS                                                                                                                        
Commented on the shortage of State                                                                                              
Troopers.  He inquired the responsibility                                                                                       
of the "brown shirts".                                                                                                          
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Replied that the in the last five years                                                                                         
the "brown shirt" Troopers are doing more                                                                                       
and more of the State Troopers work.  He                                                                                        
outlined the work done by that group                                                                                            
network.  The brown shirts do the more                                                                                          
traditional work which was assumed to be                                                                                        
accomplished by the game wardens.                                                                                               
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
WILLIAMS                                                                                                                        
Inquired if that information had been                                                                                           
relayed to the Courts.                                                                                                          
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Noted that there are attorneys working on                                                                                       
that concern.  None of that information                                                                                         
has been requested.                                                                                                             
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
WILLIAMS                                                                                                                        
Commented on the period of time that he                                                                                         
was Mayor of Saxman.  He noted that the                                                                                         
VPSO's were not paid enough and                                                                                                 
consequently that was why there was such                                                                                        
a big turn over and tendency to quit each                                                                                       
year.  He hoped that that the "brown                                                                                            
shirt" program was working as well as                                                                                           
alluded to in previous testimony.                                                                                               
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Agreed that it is difficult to keep                                                                                             
VPSO's.                                                                                                                         
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COL. GODFREY                                                                                                                    
Stated that the VPSO group is currently                                                                                         
down 29%.  He believed that part of that                                                                                        
situation was due to the amount of                                                                                              
decreased federal funding with that work                                                                                        
in conjunction with the VPSO officers.                                                                                          
The Troopers to date have provided the                                                                                          
training for free, which is an asset to                                                                                         
them.  He added that when the troopers do                                                                                       
not do a "one on one" with the village                                                                                          
training there are problems.                                                                                                    
Additionally, while in the villages, they                                                                                       
need that support of the Village Council.                                                                                       
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VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Questioned if the village or tribal                                                                                             
police officers were considered VPSO's.                                                                                         
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COL. GODFREY                                                                                                                    
Commented on the goals of the State                                                                                             
Troopers.  He again referenced the two-                                                                                         
week training course.                                                                                                           
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Responded to concerns voiced by                                                                                                 
Representative Foster.  There are barely                                                                                        
enough applicants to fill the VPSO                                                                                              
positions.  He acknowledged that at this                                                                                        
point in time, there are many officers                                                                                          
that are about to retire.  He stressed                                                                                          
that there is not the work force in                                                                                             
Alaska to fill all these positions.                                                                                             
There have been programs throughout the                                                                                         
country called Deferred Retirement Option                                                                                       
Plan (DROP) which allows for the rehire                                                                                         
of those staff persons that retire                                                                                              
allowing them to draw their retirement.                                                                                         
He believed that could be a great tool                                                                                          
for the State Troopers and other agencies                                                                                       
within State government.                                                                                                        
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
FOSTER                                                                                                                          
Voiced concern that eight of the eleven                                                                                         
troopers in Nome would be retiring within                                                                                       
a couple months.  He noted the turnover                                                                                         
of State troopers in the village areas.                                                                                         
He reiterated that it is a problematic                                                                                          
situation.                                                                                                                      
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COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Quickly listed that other programs within                                                                                       
the Department.                                                                                                                 
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Asked if the Council on Domestic Violence                                                                                       
and Sexual Assault (CDVSA) statistics                                                                                           
could be further explained.                                                                                                     
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TRISHA GENTLE,                                                                                                                  
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,                                                                                                             
COUNCIL ON DOMESTIC                                                                                                             
VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL                                                                                                             
ASSAULT, DEPARTMENT                                                                                                             
OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                                
Explained that counseling would always be                                                                                       
provided and that information and                                                                                               
resources would be developed.                                                                                                   
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Requested that the Council work closely                                                                                         
with the Subcommittee.  He questioned why                                                                                       
the Council had adopted the "warehouse"                                                                                         
policy.                                                                                                                         
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MS. GENTLE                                                                                                                      
Replied that it was essential that safe                                                                                         
shelter and support be provided to the                                                                                          
victims.  She pointed out that there                                                                                            
could be only so many resources provided.                                                                                       
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Questioned how important prevention was.                                                                                        
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MS. GENTLE                                                                                                                      
Explained that was what was done as part                                                                                        
of the continuum of care.  It reduces the                                                                                       
impact and how that directly relates to                                                                                         
the prevention of a crime.  She did not                                                                                         
believe that could be measured.                                                                                                 
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REPRESENTATIVE G.                                                                                                               
DAVIS                                                                                                                           
Requested a measure illustrating how                                                                                            
effective the entire program is and how                                                                                         
many repeated violators result from that                                                                                        
program.                                                                                                                        
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Reiterated what is the mission of that                                                                                          
service.                                                                                                                        
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MS. GENTLE                                                                                                                      
The mission is to service victims of                                                                                            
domestic and sexual assault and reduce                                                                                          
the impact of domestic violence.                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Asked how does "warehousing" people                                                                                             
reduce that probability.                                                                                                        
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MS. GENTLE                                                                                                                      
Replied that women do return up to an                                                                                           
average of 12 times, which is not                                                                                               
necessarily a sign of success.                                                                                                  
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
GRUSSENDORF                                                                                                                     
Advised that there are benefits achieved                                                                                        
which are difficult to measure.                                                                                                 
1510                                                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Advised that he was trying to calculate                                                                                         
how high the priority is for the program.                                                                                       
1532                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
GRUSSENDORF                                                                                                                     
Reiterated that it is difficult to                                                                                              
measure some programs or how many crimes                                                                                        
are prevented because those programs                                                                                            
exist.                                                                                                                          
1562                                                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Argued that there must be some defined                                                                                          
measurements within the allocation. He                                                                                          
stated that it should be a policy                                                                                               
decision to spend money on those that                                                                                           
come through the door rather than                                                                                               
preventing people from coming through                                                                                           
that door.                                                                                                                      
1605                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
The prevention of domestic violence also                                                                                        
exists within programs in the Department                                                                                        
of Health and Social Services.                                                                                                  
1640                                                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Questioned that if this is a public                                                                                             
service objective, why is it not placed                                                                                         
within the Department of Health and                                                                                             
Social Services?                                                                                                                
1659                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Pointed out that prevention and                                                                                                 
protection may need to be in different                                                                                          
departments. These placements are not                                                                                           
necessarily a misalignment.                                                                                                     
1679                                                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Explained that misalignment can bring                                                                                           
inefficiencies.                                                                                                                 
1700                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
GRUSSENDORF                                                                                                                     
Responded that perhaps this issue cannot                                                                                        
be sorted out.                                                                                                                  
1717                                                                                                                            
MS. GENTLE                                                                                                                      
Stated that creation of laws affect the                                                                                         
prevention of domestic violence along                                                                                           
with other factors such as self-shelters.                                                                                       
1766                                                                                                                            
VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Noted that the elimination of all abuse                                                                                         
may not prevent cases of abuse. He                                                                                              
believed that "prevention" was too often                                                                                        
used as a catchall to put money into.                                                                                           
1851                                                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Challenged the attempt to measure                                                                                               
results.                                                                                                                        
1870                                                                                                                            
VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Recommended that there needs to be more                                                                                         
specific results.                                                                                                               
1898                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Pointed out that the primary goal of the                                                                                        
CDVSA agency is prevention not                                                                                                  
protection.  He added that the debate is                                                                                        
misaligned.                                                                                                                     
1922                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
PHILLIPS                                                                                                                        
Stated that part of the prevention is to                                                                                        
allievate effects.                                                                                                              
1933                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Argued in support of the incidence of                                                                                           
domestic violence.  That agency is                                                                                              
charged with response to the effects and                                                                                        
that prevention could be helped through                                                                                         
the "batters program".  The primary                                                                                             
mission of that agency is protection.  He                                                                                       
stressed that the crisis must be                                                                                                
addressed first.                                                                                                                
1975                                                                                                                            
VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Summarized that the job of that agency is                                                                                       
protection and that the prevention is a                                                                                         
result of the protection.                                                                                                       
1996                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
GRUSSENDORF                                                                                                                     
Pointed out that the intent is that the                                                                                         
effects should be alleviated and that                                                                                           
currently, the agency is reaching their                                                                                         
goals.                                                                                                                          
2020                                                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Recommended reducing the cases and                                                                                              
incidences would alleviate the effects.                                                                                         
2033                                                                                                                            
MS. GENTLE                                                                                                                      
Commented that was being done in many                                                                                           
ways.  That burden should not rely solely                                                                                       
on the shelters.  She added that the                                                                                            
agency attempts that by working with the                                                                                        
Department to address the bigger picture.                                                                                       
2063                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE G.                                                                                                               
DAVIS                                                                                                                           
Agreed that this is a concern and that                                                                                          
the State of Alaska is the #1 in the                                                                                            
domestic violence and sexual assault                                                                                            
problems in the nation.  He reiterated                                                                                          
that this is a large problem within the                                                                                         
State.                                                                                                                          
2095                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Agreed that it is difficult to measure                                                                                          
the effectiveness in regards to the                                                                                             
amount of dollars spent on that program.                                                                                        
He noted his support for the newly hired                                                                                        
Domestic Violence Director, Ms. Gentle.                                                                                         
2155                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
FOSTER                                                                                                                          
Reiterated prior concern with the                                                                                               
retirement of all the VPSO officers in                                                                                          
the village areas.                                                                                                              
2172                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER OTTE                                                                                                               
Offered to gather more info on this                                                                                             
concern.  He guaranteed that if the rules                                                                                       
allow the recommended retirement program,                                                                                       
the Department would support it.                                                                                                
2200                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE G.                                                                                                               
DAVIS                                                                                                                           
Pointed out that the Department has                                                                                             
alliviated the unfunded positions.  He                                                                                          
applauded the work of the Department.                                                                                           
2233                                                                                                                            
VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Referenced the Council on Domestic                                                                                              
Violence-handout #2.  He inquired why a                                                                                         
certain class of people comes to the                                                                                            
shelter.                                                                                                                        
2260                                                                                                                            
MS. GENTLE                                                                                                                      
Pointed out that number of residents in                                                                                         
that category is 0.  There must be a                                                                                            
specific reason for entry; the shelters                                                                                         
are full.  The shelter does not have any                                                                                        
clients that do not receive counseling                                                                                          
support.  She explained the reason for                                                                                          
that line item.                                                                                                                 
2303                                                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Explained that the intent of that was to                                                                                        
measure how many people stay in the                                                                                             
shelter.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 00 - 4                                                                                                                 
SIDE 1                                                                                                                          
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND WORKFORCE                                                                                               
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                     
000                                                                                                                             
ED FLANAGAN,                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER,                                                                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF LABOR                                                                                                             
AND WORKFORCE                                                                                                                   
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                     
Commissioner Flanagan disbursed a handout                                                                                       
sheet.  [Copy on File].  He spoke to the                                                                                        
Department's mission statement to foster,                                                                                       
promote and improve working conditions                                                                                          
and advance the opportunities for                                                                                               
profitable employment to the wage earners                                                                                       
and potential wage earners of the state,                                                                                        
including those with special needs or                                                                                           
barriers to employment to the mutual                                                                                            
benefit of employees and employers.                                                                                             
170                                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Continued, all Alaskans are covered by                                                                                          
this Department.  He spoke to how well                                                                                          
customers have been served over this                                                                                            
year.  Overall, the Y2K hard work came in                                                                                       
with a 95% efficiency.  He pointed out                                                                                          
that during the peak period of                                                                                                  
unemployment claims in January, 2500                                                                                            
claims were paid.  Without the Y2K work                                                                                         
done by the Divisions, that work would                                                                                          
have been problematic.  Commissioner                                                                                            
Flanagan noted that consolidation work                                                                                          
has been a challenge.  The initial work                                                                                         
of consolidation was done at the                                                                                                
Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner                                                                                            
level.  The customers were not adversely                                                                                        
affected.                                                                                                                       
442                                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Pointed out the good relations the                                                                                              
Department has with industry and                                                                                                
employers.  He commented that amount that                                                                                       
was cut from last year's budget and how                                                                                         
well the Department has continued to                                                                                            
sustain the level of service and maintain                                                                                       
good morale.  He voiced his concern with                                                                                        
programs which are in serious danger of                                                                                         
dying given the current fiscal realities.                                                                                       
592                                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Addressed the Employment Security                                                                                               
mission.  The responsibilities of that                                                                                          
agency are to ease the negative effects                                                                                         
that involuntary unemployment has on                                                                                            
Alaska's wage earners, to stabilize the                                                                                         
local economy and workforce during                                                                                              
periods of economic downturn, to operate                                                                                        
a statewide public labor exchange, and to                                                                                       
provide employment training.                                                                                                    
700                                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Spoke to the Labor Standards & Safety                                                                                           
Mission.  The agency provides assistance                                                                                        
and oversight to both employees and                                                                                             
employers in the State by ensuring safe                                                                                         
and healthy working conditions, just                                                                                            
compensation and legal employment                                                                                               
practices, and to provide public and                                                                                            
consumer protection by assuring the                                                                                             
integrity and safety of various                                                                                                 
mechanical systems and equipment.                                                                                               
769                                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Responded to questions voiced by                                                                                                
Representative Phillips regarding the                                                                                           
adequateness of services received by                                                                                            
Workers Compensation.                                                                                                           
834                                                                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
PHILLIPS                                                                                                                        
Acknowledged that the State is providing                                                                                        
better service.                                                                                                                 
851                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Pointed out that client satisfaction is a                                                                                       
high measurement of service.  He                                                                                                
emphasized that service should be                                                                                               
highlighted.                                                                                                                    
876                                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Commented that these services are tracked                                                                                       
twice a year.  He continued that the                                                                                            
Department is a tax agency and collects                                                                                         
unemployment insurance.  94% of                                                                                                 
respondents found the Department's                                                                                              
service good and that 75% of those                                                                                              
questioned, responded that the forms are                                                                                        
easy to use.  With regard to tax, the                                                                                           
Department does a lot on employer                                                                                               
education and outreach.                                                                                                         
969                                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Pointed out that the Department has                                                                                             
stationed and opened a tax office to work                                                                                       
with employers in Nome.  Employment                                                                                             
service is now a one-stop concept                                                                                               
happening because of a federal grant                                                                                            
received to help initiate it.                                                                                                   
Commissioner Flanagan noted that the                                                                                            
Department is always looking for service                                                                                        
improvement.                                                                                                                    
1078                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Addressed the Work Opportunity Tax Credit                                                                                       
for employers.  Last year 511 employers                                                                                         
took advantage of that service.                                                                                                 
Additionally, training is also important                                                                                        
to the Department.  He noted that the                                                                                           
Department was working to address the                                                                                           
resource development component.                                                                                                 
1130                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Spoke to the Adult Vocational Education                                                                                         
program and it's effectiveness.                                                                                                 
1152                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Commented on the Labor Standards and                                                                                            
Safety Mission.  He read the mission                                                                                            
statement.  He pointed out that the Wage                                                                                        
and Hour Administration is one component                                                                                        
which had lost a position last year.  He                                                                                        
noted that the section receives close to                                                                                        
$1.5 million dollars per year through                                                                                           
outreach or fiscal insolvency.                                                                                                  
Seminars are given and tax manuals                                                                                              
provided which has information on wage                                                                                          
and hour standards.                                                                                                             
1287                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Mechanical Inspection has taken                                                                                                 
substantial cuts in the past four years.                                                                                        
He spoke to the backlog of boiler                                                                                               
inspectors.  The overdue list is being                                                                                          
prioritized.  New class of plumbing                                                                                             
license-PU license.  Federal OSHA funds                                                                                         
basically half.  Last year, that plan was                                                                                       
almost lost.  The Department hopes to                                                                                           
maintain that program.                                                                                                          
1537                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Trying to focus on three high standard                                                                                          
hazard injuries by 15% over the next                                                                                            
three years and measured performance                                                                                            
goals.  In FY98, enforcement inspections                                                                                        
were increased by 200%.  In FY99,                                                                                               
increased program inspection further.                                                                                           
1649                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Emphasized that the Department did                                                                                              
institute establish an Occupational                                                                                             
Health and Life component for safety.  He                                                                                       
added that for the smaller programs,                                                                                            
there is the "sharp" program.  Part of                                                                                          
that program consists of the willingness                                                                                        
to mentor other employers.  These                                                                                               
programs have worked well in other parts                                                                                        
of the country.                                                                                                                 
1749                                                                                                                            
VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Questioned if there were other                                                                                                  
corporations involved in that program.                                                                                          
1766                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Replied that at this time only British                                                                                          
Petroleum is involved.  That program is                                                                                         
very intensive and currently the only one                                                                                       
available.                                                                                                                      
1801                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
There is a goal to increase that by two                                                                                         
this year.                                                                                                                      
1819                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Addressed the Workers Compensation                                                                                              
Division.  He emphasized that the program                                                                                       
has been very challenged.  Those involved                                                                                       
do not like to wait 90 days for a                                                                                               
hearing.  There are 400-500 hearings per                                                                                        
year, and that activity is down as                                                                                              
expected as are the decisions and orders.                                                                                       
Progress is measured through the                                                                                                
uninsured employer investigation, a                                                                                             
position reinstituted this past year.                                                                                           
The number of injuries in FY98 was 80 and                                                                                       
that some of those are still waiting for                                                                                        
a hearing.  A goal of 60 has been set                                                                                           
this year, given an aggressive outreach                                                                                         
program.  He noted that one year it had                                                                                         
declined to 36 accidents.                                                                                                       
1988                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Spoke to the number of calls received by                                                                                        
his office regarding this concern.                                                                                              
2024                                                                                                                            
VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Questioned the uninsured employers and                                                                                          
what their liability would be.                                                                                                  
2041                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Replied that technically, each one has                                                                                          
admitted a misdemeanor.  He recommended                                                                                         
that there needs to be a record of                                                                                              
workers compensation.  The Board should                                                                                         
issue a "cease to exist" order.  He                                                                                             
addressed the case preparations.                                                                                                
2097                                                                                                                            
VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Questioned how the cases are established.                                                                                       
2110                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Explained that each case much be "field                                                                                         
checked" and that the Division does                                                                                             
provide spot checking from time to time.                                                                                        
2138                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Pointed out that many agencies are                                                                                              
hearing more regarding concerns from this                                                                                       
division.  Currently, there exists an Ad                                                                                        
Hoc Committee that will provide                                                                                                 
recommendations for changes.  He noted                                                                                          
that there would be a proposal submitted                                                                                        
to the Legislature which would provide                                                                                          
alternative funding to accomplish the                                                                                           
tasks of the Division.                                                                                                          
2197                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Commented that Vocational Rehabilitation                                                                                        
is a new responsibility for the                                                                                                 
Department.  The role of the division is                                                                                        
to get people to work.  The mission is to                                                                                       
assist individuals with disabilities to                                                                                         
overcome barriers to employment and                                                                                             
encourage independence and integration                                                                                          
into their communities.                                                                                                         
2307                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Commented that the Department is better                                                                                         
with the inclusion of the Vocational                                                                                            
Rehabilitation division.                                                                                                        
2301                                                                                                                            
VICE CHAIR BUNDE                                                                                                                
Encouraged tracking of pertinent data.                                                                                          
2358                                                                                                                            
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Stated that the Division of                                                                                                     
Administrative Services helps the rest of                                                                                       
the department track their jobs. The                                                                                            
mission of that division is to provide                                                                                          
for efficient administrative and data                                                                                           
processing services in support of the                                                                                           
Department's programs, and to provide for                                                                                       
the collection, analysis and publication                                                                                        
of demographic and economic information                                                                                         
in support of sound policy, business,                                                                                           
program and personal employment                                                                                                 
decisions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 00 - 4                                                                                                                 
SIDE 2                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
37                                                                                                                              
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Stated that Research and Analysis is                                                                                            
providing a good service. They have an                                                                                          
increasing role under the Workforce                                                                                             
Investment Act. That role with increase                                                                                         
with the 2000 census.                                                                                                           
148                                                                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
PHILLIPS                                                                                                                        
Asked if there was a fee for research and                                                                                       
analysis?                                                                                                                       
168                                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER                                                                                                                    
FLANAGAN                                                                                                                        
Replied that there is no fee, but payment                                                                                       
is required from some other states for                                                                                          
services. He added that Internet                                                                                                
distribution is reducing the cost of some                                                                                       
services.                                                                                                                       
209                                                                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
FOSTER                                                                                                                          
Complimented the Commissioner for quick                                                                                         
response to some problems which came up                                                                                         
in his district.                                                                                                                
282                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Recommended that further statistics be                                                                                          
provided on paper and submitted to the                                                                                          
Committee and subcommittee.                                                                                                     
326                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The meeting adjourned at 4:05 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
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